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I'll stick with the friendly, who actually care online seed companies. God Bless . I have no complaint about you personally, only with the incompatibility of our conversational style and how that interferes with us gaining any ground in either of our positions on this issue. Box 24 Plymouth, FL. So my money for seeds goes right back to Monsanto. Thank you for the link to Seed Alliance, that was encouraging. How about if the potential outcome is something to really be afraid of, that doesn't matter? For example, RH Shumway, Roots and Rhizomes, McClure and Zimmerman, TotallyTomato, and Vermont Bean are owned by JW Jung Seed. Yours is a textbook statement of the fallacious logical argument of appeal to fear / argument from adverse consequences. Didn't know someone was trying to track the government officials who are making policy that allows Monsanto to continue along. A spokesperson for Mars indicated the closure was due to a "strategic shift" and that not all the employees would retain their jobs.". This includes dozens of All-American Selections and an increasing number of varieties licensed to third parties for certified organic seed production. Without pioneers in the field of biotechnology, we would still be battling diabetes with insulin taken from slaughterhouse animals. I Like The Natural Species given by Mother Nature Much Better! No you don’t see Monsanto ‘rescuing us’ but yet, you are hoping that the GMO potential solution will. What can I personally do about it? I had no intention of starting a GMO discussion. And this article does a great job of explaining why I want to buy seed from these companies. There was one woman who was so completely misinformed about the subject that she was worried that the Miracle-Gro potting mix she bought was GMO. And that has not changed since the first time I posted it. Anyone have any information about that?". You're right, kilngod, someone should have researched before they put them on the list. Box 763 Locust Grove, OK  74352 Tel: 918-386-0546 www.clearcreekseeds.com, Red Sky Farm 35545 EW1170 Seminole, OK  74868 Tel: 405-382-9883 Email: redskyfarm@rsib.net, Survival Essentials P.O. I attempted to end the conversation very briefly without a long explanation in the comment before this one. I saw that article in my travels but didn't have time to read it and I almost posted a link to it earlier. And I find it hard to believe that you are not fully aware that you are doing that. I have not appealed to you even to acknowledge that you told me millions of people are dying due to GMOs in India. 1-800-247-5864 M-F 7:30am-5:30pm CST I wasn't so much saying you were scare mongering as the article. And I believe I have already explained other reasons for why I avoid GMO seeds and Monsanto which you evidently don't accept. Perhaps because half of this thread is me, explaining and defending myself. Here is the reference from the British publication Nature. Our intention was to be the best source possible for gardeners wanting to grow tomatoes from seed. And you are complaining that I am disrespectful? But, I think I've spent enough time responding to this thread. And are you then saying that because the story about India was not completely accurate, that means that there is nothing to fear? If they include links to the proof, then I'll believe it. People tend to gloss over all the grey, and even white, areas as a way to paint the entire issue as something to be reviled and hated, something to be fought against. Okay, I just looked them up. Tahuya Blacksmith Rd. [g] With all the healthy social skills you can muster. Nature has a non-aligned editorial board and attempts to be on the cutting edge of gold-standard research in the public's interest. St-Dominique Les Cedres Quebec H9X 1E9 Tel: 450-452-4271 Email: semences@fermetournesol.qc.ca www.fermetournesol.qc.ca, Two Wings Farm Organic Seeds 4768 William Head Road Victoria, British Columbia V9C3Y7 Tel: 250-478-3794 www.twowingsfarm.com, Urban Harvest Organic Seeds P O Box 176, Stn C Toronto, ON M6J 3M9, urbantomato 5 Fleming Place Peterborough ON K9H 3Y7 http://urbantomato.blogspot.com Email: urbantomato@gmail.com, West Coast Seeds 3925 64th St. RR#1 Delta, British Columbia V4K 3N2 Tel: 604-952-8820 www.westcoastseeds.com, William Dam Seeds Ltd. 279 Hwy 8 Dundas, Ontario L9H 5E1  Canada Tel: 905-628-6641 Fax: 905-627-1729 www.damseeds.com Email: info@dmseeds.com, MyHeirloomSeeds – AMAL Enterprises LLC South Sinai Governorate P.O. But I am not making a blanket statement. Also, government regulators are not reliable either! They are trying to sensationalize things through scare tactics, in my opinion. Instead of discussing, either GMO seeds, or Monsanto, or other corporations that are producing GMO seeds, or the availability of non GMO seeds and how to preserve that, you’ve turned the discussion into an analysis of words and meanings of words, and what I meant when I said what and in what ways my end of the conversation fits in with your ideas of debate theories and techniques. I point people to natives and to the NEWFS to purchase natives. I will address your issue about the reputed 250,000 suicides per year in India which you have taken on faith to be true, and not critically taken the time to fact-check. I don’t even have the time to read the above entire article on Monsanto, but a quick scan of the section on ‘Controversies’, shows that all over the world, people are fighting against Monsanto because of the ill effect that their association with the company has had. But it would seem to me that, while the conclusions about what happened in India may have been controversial, something definitely negative happened in India as a result of Monsanto introducing GMO seed. I don't see much else other than getting frustrated. That is the scariest part to me too. Again, I am worried that the consolidation will cause the loss of many varieties, and I think the original post calling for a boycott will only accelerate that since the home garden market is negligible. That's okay Ed. No company sells GMO seeds to home gardeners. Monsanto was the world’s largest seed company and owned over 80% of all the genetically modified (GM, also called genetically engineered) seeds planted around the world. Do you realize that is what you are saying? I would wonder that they were going to tamper with them. I also have many other heirloom tomatoes which I enjoy too, and I am happy with the current GMO-free assortment of interesting heirlooms and faithful hybrids I get dependable results growing and are delicious. We don’t have Facebook so others will need to verify that it is there. And your end of the conversation is without flaws? ***If any company you like is on the list, research their ownership yourself.***. Is that info available? Anyone have any information about that? Their paper catalog usually has an update each year about what is going on with varieties that they are finding that are non GMO and varieties they are dropping because of an association with GMO seeds. I don't want to see this idea catching on that big companies can cherry pick the best varieties, not let us grow them, and the only way we can get them is by paying $5 for a plastic clamshell of them in Walmart as if they were blueberries out of season. Jung. Only if you are trying to convince them of something. We are both very detail minded, wanting precise meaning of words used, not enjoying being misunderstood triggering lengthy explanations. NotMonsanto. I am not "torn", because that is creating a false dichotomy as if I must only bow to Anti-Monsanto preachers or Monsanto marketers. Thanks for pointing me in a direction to find a better list of Seed Companies that are owned by Monsanto. And where does the word ‘bully’ enter into it? That's why I'm concerned about them. And the hyperbole..."Monsanto, maybe the most evil corporation ever". I cannot support misleading people for political ends. The farm includes over a thousand varieties of plants on six acres of land originally cultivated by the Tewa people on a flood plain along the Rio Grande in El Guique, New Mexico. I don't want to loose those tomatoes, but I can see some people that think losing them would be a victory (against what? It is not my fault that they bought it. Certainly enough to raise concern for anyone willing to consider it and have a starting point to better understand it.". So who is it that began the never ending GMO debate? If you want to be sure of what you are buying, buy by variety, not by brand. tomatoman-"Tomato Growers Supply Company is a family-owned small specialty seed company founded in 1984 by Vince and Linda Sapp. You surmise that. I'm not responsible for what you understand or who is marketing what. Tahuya, WA 98588, Ed Hume Seeds P.O. As should every living person on the earth. Monsanto and the other companies you mention, are basically in the biotech field. And what did you mean by 'carefully'? The profit from his rental pays for it all. You could take them to the cleaners for such a misrepresentation: "FAQ: Are the home garden seeds genetically modified (GM)? Yet at the same time, you suggest ways of affecting their bottom line, which would indicate you are against them to some degree. One of them I am confused by, and in the other one you say, I'll address first, starting with your quotes which relate to similar questions about me and my issues: " Are these smaller seed companies you are concerned for, owned by Monsanto? Is that your point of view? I assumed good faith on your part and I accept you have a differing point of view, and I would not introduce the possibility of ulterior motive on your part for that! of the world, it is not an issue of trust for me as much as supporting seed company diversity. Profit over everything, disguised as something else. The pistache is a wonderful tree, and could be enclosed or at least "visually enclosed" with hardscape or low fencing, pavers, etc.. not sure if you're still looking for input..... cheers! Earl May Seed. The Cottage Gardener Heirloom Seedhouse is a family owned and operated, farm-based seedhouse started by Mary and Dan Brittain. Monsanto's vegetable seed subsidiary, Seminis, is one of the largest seed distributors and has been acquiring seed companies since the mid-1990s. It is also false to say non-GM cotton is not available in India. It sounds more like an environmental disaster in India to me, if this information is accurate. This year, I used FEDCO for my vegetable seeds again. Better to leave the door open! Very early in this thread, that problem was addressed and resolved. Pupilla - From my point of view, in any conversation with another person, you have to ‘win their favor’ enough to interest them in continuing a conversation with you. "Tomato Growers Supply Company is a family-owned small specialty seed company founded in 1984 by Vince and Linda Sapp. Monsanto is the world’s largest seed company, controlling 23 percent of the global seed market. I have Better Boy and Early Girl tomatoes in my garden, Monsanto varieties, and others in tomatoes really like Big Beef, another one of theirs all for the home garden market. I don't have the ranges, I have the Thermador 36" cooktop with the simmer burners which I LOVE. Crop failures and disasters have been a reality since the dawn of agriculture. I did the best I could in responding line by line and I hope even if we cannot agree on viewpoints, we can amicably tolerate each other's. I don’t care if we lose Monsanto varieties. Look at how they closed down the Seeds of Change organic farm after they bought it. Now I see that two hours was not even enough to satisfy you and that you have more about what I’ve had to say, to criticize and pick apart. And more detailed explanations about what you meant and what you think. We later expanded the catalog to include peppers and eggplant since they are in the same plant family as tomatoes. What we learned: Never buy a rental more than 15 minutes from your front door! SMH. You want to make your own decision, I haven't reread the entire thread again, but I certainly have said nothing to attempt to take that choice away from you. Apparently, based on debate theory. If you repeat the same flaws, I will respond by repeating myself, too. I was unaware that there are graphs 'trying' to track what they now own. and that concluded the discussion, Ed and I had. As far as I know, Thermador is the only one with that feature, but that may have changed. Isn't that the company that owns M&Ms? My main objection to the combination of "GMO AND Monsanto" debate as you have presented is two-fold. “You disagreed that I said …"a better understanding of an issue was gotten, simply by 'getting the word out'", which was not what I said. Multiple smaller, non high tech companies that are manageable by individuals and an asset to their communities. I try to learn how to make a habitat for pollinators. Syngenta - This is the first I am hearing about it. ;-), I appreciate that you see some value in it. It is the same as buying Kashi organic cereal and it is owned by Kelloggs or Naked Juice is owned by Pepsi. I will not martyr my favorite varieties as you might. In India, it goes on to say, there is now a biotech seed monopoly and Bt cotton seed has become the standard and organic seed has become unobtainable. I had the Thermador cooktop in my last house and loved it so much I went to buy the professional version but was disappointed to discover it only had huge burners, and I use lots of little pans, so I stayed with the cooktop which is half the price and far more flexible. For example they were where the pioneering 1973 peer-reviewed paper of CFCs causing the breakdown of ozone was published (link). I'm just sharing my take on it. ), which we love as well. https://i0.wp.com/ai…, Democrat Proposes Tying $1,500 Stimulus Checks To COVID Vaccinations, Contact address: 1129 Maricopa Highway #173, Ojai, CA 93023, Contact email: allgoodthings@plantgoodseed.com. But you claim that you do. The seed varieties you have obtained as “heirlooms” from heirloom or organic seed companies are “NOT” GMO seeds, even though they are officially “owned” by Monsanto. Where you don't trust Monsanto Dupont, Syngenta, Bayer, BASF and Dow, etc. And a few comments later, you said you were ‘not looking for an argument’, but I dispute that statement. Since I just listed the reasons why I wanted to end the conversation, the question does not need to be answered by you. Research farm moved north to a fight ’ bow to Anti-Monsanto preachers or marketers.. And to the use of that term it you expect - for me her two children occasionally helping in spirit! 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